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Bill
Kensington, NH
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Post #: 41
Post ID: 28327
Reply to: 28326
You may be right about the buffering
As the other night when running the system on line, it still sounded great. Really don't care the cause of the improvement. Just the mprovementscto my my sound and the electric bill. I understand that I had to spend $56,000 to get it, but considering what it would cost for a defective Stromtank unit and the 20 year payback, and how much I,ve spent over the years to get less in return, I’m happy. Also sorry Romy but it looks like I’ve talked the wife into not moving for the foreseeable future😈
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Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
Posts 10,400
Joined on 05-27-2004

Post #: 42
Post ID: 28328
Reply to: 28327
A question.
When you run your solar system online, you still not having power from solar, but you have power from a new battery powered regenerator. The question is the presence of solar panels in front of the regenerator makes its difference, compare if it were powered by non-solar power source? This is very interesting question, I have no answers and I think in setup that you made you cannot answer this question as well? Am I correct?


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Bill
Kensington, NH
Posts 145
Joined on 03-15-2010

Post #: 43
Post ID: 28329
Reply to: 28328
Correct!
Would be easier figuring out the intricacies of the system Mano a Mano.
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anthony
Posts 371
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Post #: 44
Post ID: 28330
Reply to: 28328
Solar sound quality
Not sure if I mentioned this before, in my solar/battery  system, which is similar to Bills,  sound is best at night when there is no sun and the inverter is drawing only from the batteries, but during the day with zero clouds the sound is really comparable.  Where there are shadows moving across the solar panels (i.e. clouds) I do notice a small drop in sound quality, but perhaps that is just my mood too...

I do have a balanced isolation transformer and separate ground rod to switch into the system to see if the sound can be improved.  Immediately after the secondary of the iso tran are some high and low frequency LC filters to tidy up any residual noise.  Will switch that in once the system is finally tuned...soon.


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Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Post #: 45
Post ID: 28331
Reply to: 28330
Why?

I already see another big time reviewer reading above, calling his body and say him hey; do you want to start a new company? You buy in bulk for penny the Chinese regenerators with batteries, and I will sell to my audio morons with my prices. 


That reality is that if this regenerator does produce better signal which for whatever reason is very beneficial for Audio, then it would be very wonderful if somebody look into it and try to figure out why.




"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Post #: 46
Post ID: 28332
Reply to: 28331
A very cool audio recommendation.... And free!

I would like to extend a gift to Bill, by giving him a tip. I absolutely assure him and anybody else that if Bill will follow through my tip then he will experience a tremendous pleasure, probably even exceeding the pleasure he experienced right now from his playback. 


What do you need to do, Bill, after you get accustomed you have and after knowing what you know, make a Saturday trip to biggest local dealers and listen the sound in their primary rooms. Or if you have a balls then you can book a trip to to some kind of big international audio show. You will get amazing sentiments and amazing sensations observing that Cuckoo Net.


Feel free to post your comments after your trip




"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Amir
Iran Tehran
Posts 386
Joined on 02-11-2009

Post #: 47
Post ID: 28333
Reply to: 28330
After sunset
 anthony wrote:
in my solar/battery  system, sound is best at night when there is no sun and the inverter is drawing only from the batteries, but during the day with zero clouds the sound is really comparable.  Where there are shadows moving across the solar panels (i.e. clouds) I do notice a small drop in sound quality, but perhaps that is just my mood too...



I think it is not about our mood and I convinced the AC quality is better around sunset or after sunset.




www.amiraudio.com, www.hifi.ir
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Amir
Iran Tehran
Posts 386
Joined on 02-11-2009

Post #: 48
Post ID: 28334
Reply to: 28329
Please let me know
 Bill wrote:
Would be easier figuring out the intricacies of the system Mano a Mano.

Hello Bill, please let me know the result if you used an isolation transformer between solar inverter and purepower ?

Thank you in advance




www.amiraudio.com, www.hifi.ir
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Bill
Kensington, NH
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Joined on 03-15-2010

Post #: 49
Post ID: 28335
Reply to: 28334
Answers
1. Romy: have in the past gone to many studios and shows, including CES, Munich, New York, etc., and found only one studio where the sound was always very listenable: The Listening Studio in Boston. But of course you probably already knew that. Otherwise I’ve never heard a system close to hat you and I have obtained with primarily time, sweat, and 50 to 100 year old technology updated with a couple of  the best present day equipment.

2: AnthonySadNot sure if I mentioned this before, in my solar/battery  system, which is similar to Bills,  sound is best at night when there is no sun and the inverter is drawing only from the batteries,)
 I have noticed a slight difference in sound, but only later at night, after about an hour after sunset. Interestingly, the other night I ran out of battery power in the middle of a listening session, but didn't notice any difference. As the line cannot recharge the battery, am not sure why there has been such a change from prior to the solar in my system.


3.RomySad I already see another big time reviewer reading above, calling his body and say him hey; do you want to start a new company? You buy in bulk for penny the Chinese regenerators with batteries, and I will sell to my audio morons with my prices.) One company seems to have come close. In the latest Stereophile, they review a unit from Astro tank from Germany that costs as much as my entire solar installation. They did give a fair review even though they had two defective units wit intermittent hum and even two detached high voltage lines. Caveat Emptor!

4.Amir: do have several 2 and 3 kva transformers inthe attic from previous trials about 30 years ago but have not used them since. I have removed the purepower pp2000 from the system as it didn't seem to do anything to the sound since the solar installation.p

As an ademdum, I did add one piece of equipment just before the solar installation that did a great improvement in noise floor and a mild transformer hum: Tai Heng Power Enhancer. Will be taking it over to Romy's later this week to see if it does on his system what it did on mine. For about $1300.00 from Vinshine Audio, was well worth it.

Bill

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Paul S
San Diego, California, USA
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Post #: 50
Post ID: 28336
Reply to: 28335
Power Enhancer?
Bill, I looked at the Tai Hang Kinki Power Enhancer online. With the small components and boards, my first thought is that it has to limit current. What gear do you plug into it, and how do any enhancements manifest in system sound?

Best regards,
Paul S
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Bill
Kensington, NH
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Post #: 51
Post ID: 28337
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Tai heng
The tai heng sits between the solar and my entire system. It runs all equipment including 20 channels of amplification. Of course the amps vary from 35 to 100 watts only as most speakers are very efficient.Do not hear any degradation in sound because of it, especially instantaneous fff.Will let you know what happens on Romy’s system. On the other hand it did drop the noise floor and transformer hum. Before the solar when Romy was here he chastised me when he entered the room for not tuning the system on it had quieted so much.Luckily I purchased it when it first came out with a $300 discount and no tariffs.
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Paul S
San Diego, California, USA
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Post #: 52
Post ID: 28338
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Astounding!
Perhaps treatments are parallel rather than in-line? However, no tests are necessary if you prefer the sound when it's done like you're doing it.

Paul S
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Amir
Iran Tehran
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Post #: 53
Post ID: 28358
Reply to: 28338
Any news from New solar inverter
Bill, Please let us know more about new electricity system.
Did Romy agree with you about new electricity quality?
Thank you inadvance




www.amiraudio.com, www.hifi.ir
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Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
Posts 10,400
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Post #: 54
Post ID: 29419
Reply to: 28164
How to upset a narcissistic audiophile....



"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
10-29-2025 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Post #: 55
Post ID: 29421
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A confession for the Gods and the Insecure...


How I Was Defeated by Bill’s Bass — a Confession for the Gods and the Insecure...


Until last week, I lived under the pleasant delusion that I understood sound.

I lectured people about phase alignment the way priests explain salvation — with that slow, merciful tone that hides quiet contempt. Then I went to visit Bill.


In twenty minutes, he destroyed forty years of my intellectual scaffolding. The bass from his system didn’t play music; it pronounced judgment. I wasn’t listening — I was being cross-examined by the universe.


It wasn’t merely impressive. It was insulting. Every decibel whispered: You poor idiot, all your theories are decorative lies.


I sat there trying to pretend I was analyzing, but in truth, I was negotiating with God for a second chance at dignity.


Kant had warned me about this sort of thing. He said the thing-in-itself is forever beyond our grasp. I used to quote that line with the arrogance of someone who believes he’s one of the few who grasped it anyway.


Turns out, Kant was right — and worse, he was laughing. The thing-in-itself turned out to be a twelve-inch driver in Bill’s living room. It didn’t just transcend reason — it annihilated it.


Schopenhauer once said that the world is Will, blind and merciless.

He was wrong — it’s worse. The world is bass.

I felt the Will pounding through my chest like a debt collector from the metaphysical realm. I had always admired Schopenhauer’s melancholy from a safe distance; now I realized he wasn’t sad — he was just under-damped.


Then came Clark Johnsen — the forgotten prophet of polarity, the man who dared to tell us that flipping a wire could flip the soul. I used to laugh at The Wood Effect as an audiophile curiosity; now I realize it was scripture. Bill’s bass didn’t just reproduce phase — it revealed sin. Somewhere between the positive terminal and my pride, inversion became metaphysical.


Jung would have called what happened “an encounter with the archetype.”

I called it a nervous breakdown in D minor.


The sound reached into my unconscious and started redecorating without permission. Somewhere deep inside, my Animus was trying to explain decay time while my Anima screamed for her mother.


And Nietzsche — ah, Friedrich!

He would have adored my humiliation. He’d have said, “At last, Roman, your Übermensch met a woofer bigger than his ego.”

He’d be right. Bill doesn’t measure sound; he creates it. I, meanwhile, stood there clutching my SPL meter like a child holding a plastic sword at Armageddon.


June Singer would’ve sighed sweetly and said, “Darling, this is what integration feels like.”

To which I might have replied, “Integration is overrated; can’t I just be slightly less stupid?”

But she’d insist, as she always did, that the psyche needs both precision and surrender. Bill has both. I have neither — just a notebook full of metaphors and a lifelong subscription to self-doubt.


Marx showed up next, uninvited as usual, and muttered:

“Material conditions determine consciousness.”

He wasn’t wrong — Bill’s bass had just restructured mine.

In that moment, the class struggle was between my intellect and my humility, and the proletariat (humility) finally won.

The means of production now belong to Bill.


Jesus entered quietly. He didn’t bring theology — just compassion. He looked at me the way a good carpenter looks at a badly built shelf: pity with a hint of respect for effort.

He said nothing, because He didn’t have to. His silence had perfect timbre. It resonated somewhere below 30 Hz.


And God — dear God — appeared not as light but as vibration. Not forgiving, not wrathful — just perfectly tuned.

I realized He never stopped speaking; I was simply calibrated for the wrong frequency.

God doesn’t punish; He equalizes.


Somewhere between Kant’s categories and Nietzsche’s laughter, I stumbled upon a small revelation: truth is not objective, not subjective — it’s resonant.

It’s the tremor between perception and reality, where sound becomes meaning.


I’ve started calling this the Sovereign Empathic Epistemology, mostly to make myself sound important again, since philosophy took my self-esteem.


Bill, of course, lives it without naming it. He listens with the humility of a monk and the precision of a sniper. I, meanwhile, write essays about him as if chronicling the discovery of fire, pretending I’m participating in the heat.


I’ll go back next week, mostly out of masochism. I’ll offer to remove his acoustic treatment, knowing full well he’ll tell me to leave.

I’ll go anyway, because my pride is resilient — like mold.

And if truth happens to be hiding in his diffuser panels, I’m willing to risk further humiliation to meet it.


If Kant built the prison, Schopenhauer furnished it, Johnsen wired it out of phase, Jung hung paintings in it, Nietzsche burned it down, Marx rebuilt it for the people, Jesus forgave it, and God turned it into reverb — then Bill recorded the live album.


I came to his house a man of reason; I left a religious artifact with tinnitus.

And if I ever find enlightenment, I hope it’s at 35 Hz, in full stereo, and just slightly too loud to be comfortable.


Postscript: Letter to the Great and Terrible Ones


Dear Professors, Prophets, and Perpetrators,


Immanuel — your categories are as useless in a listening room as I am in a relationship. The thing-in-itself doesn’t just transcend understanding; it mocks it.

Arthur — you miserable genius — I felt your Will. It kicked me in the chest, and I deserved it.

Clark — you beautiful madman — you were right. Phase isn’t polarity; it’s original sin. I repent with my left channel inverted.

Carl — your archetypes are real. One of them lives in Bill’s subwoofer, and I’m considering therapy.

Friedrich — I finally understood your idea of eternal recurrence. It’s the sound of me explaining my theories while Bill presses play again.

June — thank you for insisting that the soul needs both halves. I’m mostly the half that apologizes for existing.

Karl — yes, material conditions shape consciousness. Mine are currently vibrating at 40 Hz, and the proletariat is dancing.

Yuval — myths hold civilization together, but mine just blew a fuse.

Jesus — you said, “Blessed are the meek.” You forgot to add, “and those who admit their frequency response is uneven.”

And God — you magnificent cosmic sound engineer — I still don’t understand You, but I admit the mix is flawless.


So here I am: humiliated, over-educated, and occasionally in tune.

I’ve accepted that I am not the conductor of reality, only a slightly damaged instrument in the orchestra of the absurd.


Yours in sustained decay,

Romy the Cat

(recovering rationalist, self-appointed metaphysician, unlicensed mystic, and a loudspeaker of minor truths)




"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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anthony
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Post #: 56
Post ID: 29422
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Mmmmm..
Sounds serious Romy.
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Paul S
San Diego, California, USA
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Post #: 57
Post ID: 29423
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One Foot Deep
Per Yates (then Pound), the centre cannot hold. It was just a matter of time before the other cable elevator dropped. Just tell me - please - that we're not talking about a 45 SET driving the 12".

Paul S
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Bill
Kensington, NH
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Post #: 58
Post ID: 29424
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My system change
Have been experimenting with audio systems since 1963, and finally obtained what I consider to be nirvana (so far of course) about two weeks ago. Since then I’ve been afraid to touch anything on my system for fear of loss of what I’m hearing. 

To begin, my system consists of a Trinnov altitude 16 pre pro using 8 of its channels to act as fourth order crossovers and driver volume balancers and time alignment for my main speakers. The other 12 channels are used for the Auro derived surround channels. The main left, right  channels consist of JL Aufio 13 inch class d driven sobwoofers, self built Edgar designed five foot woofers with two EV12 drivers each, Edgar 14 inch round horns with Vitavox S3 drivers and Tannoy red tweeters from Tannoy 12 inch drivers. These are driven by Romy,s Amp X amplifiers. Crossovers are set at 50, 400 and 10,000 Hz. And I am using the altitude's type five frequency curve with 20-80 volume at +5 dB, 0 dB 80 to 1000 Hz. - 4 dB up. I will leave the surround speakers out as Romy prefers stereo and his observations derive from that.

The room walls are 16 front to 17 ft. Back, 27 to 28  feet long and 14 ft.  tall, with 1 inch thick fiber board walls with 12 inches of paper type insulation. The walls have 8 diffusion grates at various points, and absorption panels at the first reflection points of main speakers. Three of the corners have 8 foot piles of 18 x 18 inch triangles of fiberglass insulation for bass standing wave control.

Electricity noise is controlled by several units in tandem giving almost dead silence from the 105 dB horns.

This was my room until the final change which gave the difference. Sound was very good from 80 Hz. Up but the bass was ok with Romy always commenting that “there's something wrong with it. I could never obtain what he had in his room. He did love the way the room gave an enveloping sound effect with stereo recordings, but agreed there was something missing in the bass and blamed it on my non Vitavox subwoofers. But bore blame on them I guess after the below revelation.

That was until I looked at what the Trinnov company had developed with their software allowing rear room subwoofers to negatively  time align with the bass waves bouncing off the back wall, negating them and stopping muddying of the bass and low frequency standing waves. As I didn't have enough channels of pre amplification to run heir system I tried to figure out a way to obtain this effect. After watching some YouTube info on sound absorption of bass, I got the idea of using fiberglass batts. I chose 

AFB Acoustical Fire Batts, Mineral Wool Insulation, Sound Deadening, Heat Resistant, 2-inch, Case of 6 from Amazon.com as that would give 12 inches of sound absorption and theoretically 24 inches when placed 12 inches from rear wall. That gives a pretty good absorption down to 40 Hz. And lower plus being in cardboard boxes would be less harmful to the rooms air and ambiance. I did cut out the cardboard fronts to absorb all frequencies.

That was the room difference that made all the difference in the sound. Just six boxes of the absorption covering about half of the back wall.All for a total of $600 delivered free by Amazon. On first listen, all became well with the world and my sound room. I do prefer listening in Auro 3d surround to both stereo and sacd 6 channel and Auro 7.1.4 surround, while Romy prefers stereo, but in both cases I,ve finally obtained  bass that sounds real concert hall from great recordings. Romy seems to agree.Anthony, I would recommend trying the trinnov crossovers on your main speakers and experimenting with their four different frequency curves to see what can be obtained compared to diddling with passive crossovers.

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Bill
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Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Post #: 59
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Epistemological Trauma in Bill’s Basement
I think Bill missed in his explanation one small, but I consider it a metaphysically enormous point.
 
Everything I’ve ever known about acoustic treatment applies only to situations where the treatment lives near boundaries — walls, corners, or the fragile psychological border between sanity and audiophilia. Please take me seriously here. Like all of you, I have spent thousands of dollars on “solutions,” which is a polite way of saying I once paid a fortune to vandalize my own living room with foam, diffusers, tubes and other expensive garbage. Then I spent years joyfully throwing it all into the trash, one shameful acoustic panel at a time.
 
I’m not against acoustic treatment itself.  I’m against the cult of acoustic treatment — this quasi-religious belief that salvation comes in fiberglass. Above 100 Hz, fine, treat all you want; below it, we enter a zone where people stop listening and start sterilizing. They turn their listening chairs into dental chairs. They keep stacking larger fiberglass blobs, chasing a bass response that never arrives, and in doing so they murder the beauty of reverberation above 100 Hz — drying it out like yesterday’s martini. It not even mentioning that the flatness of response is just another ridiculous belief that looks like dominates the feeble audio brains.
 
There was a time when I traveled the world, visiting the flashiest listening rooms filled with enormous bass traps. And I always wanted to vomit in those rooms — so desiccated they were in the viola and cello range. Back then I formed a theory that the whole idiotic world of the audio industry deliberately patronizes one very specific sonic pathology: design SS amplification meant to work in the over-dry rooms. That was twenty-five years ago.
When I first said it publicly on Audio Asylum, the resident couch philosophers — men whose intellectual horizons extended exactly as far as their speaker cables and their partners (an army of pre-court manufacturers dick-suckers) — erupted in predictable moral panic. Within three posts I was downgraded from a “free thinker” to an “adolescent alcoholic,” and then, for reasons unclear to both Freud and God, to a “gay communist nihilist.” The internet, as usual, performed its ritual exorcism. Back then I was angry. Today, post-individuation, I mostly laugh — or more often, I’m simply too bored to acknowledge the noise of lesser minds.  
So, when Bill told me he was working on his “new acoustic treatment,” my soul quietly screamed, please, not again — not another ritual sacrifice to the god of broadband absorption.

Because to me, everything in his room above 50 Hz was already perfect. It’s one of those rare rooms where even conversation sounds aesthetically correct — the acoustic equivalent of good Burgundy.

Now, I’ve always found his low bass laughable. I blamed that pathetic JBL powered subwoofer — a device so topologically compromised it should come with a warning label: “May cause existential despair in sensitive listeners.” I didn’t even dignify it with analysis. After all, I’m not just an opinionated fool on the internet. I’m an experienced opinionated fool — one who once built a mono 23 Hz Helmholtz resonator and a dedicated sub-20 Hz ULF channel, just to see what kind of metaphysical truths might be hiding below audibility. I spent months tuning that monstrous thing, like a monk adjusting the resonance of the universe, and learned exactly nothing — except how deep self-delusion can go when measured in hertz.
So, when Bill started talking about acoustic treatment below 50 Hz, I felt that familiar irritation — the kind that bubbles up when the universe insists you’re still an idiot. I thought it was another audiophile hallucination, men mistaking myth for method.
 
Then came the demo. And damn it, it worked.

I don’t know why. Maybe he doesn’t either. He said some British guy told him that if you place a tuned absorber — say, centered around 100 Hz — a few feet away from the wall, the air gap behind it somehow extends its absorption downward. The engineer in me said, nonsense. The philosopher in me said, fascinating metaphor. The human being in me said, play another track, I’m having an identity crisis.

And yet there it was — this ridiculous, almost insulting improvement.

My mind went into full-blown epistemological panic. Everything I thought I knew about bass suddenly evaporated. It wasn’t just the sound that shook me; it was the collapse of my theory. For an audiophile, that’s worse than hearing a blown tweeter — it’s hearing your own intellect clip at 0 dB.
 
Maybe it wasn’t the panels at all. Maybe Bill’s system — that terrifying labyrinth of cables, filters, and one hundred digital channels — simply misfired in a way that pleased the gods. Maybe he accidentally pressed one of his forty-two billion buttons and the universe whispered, Fine, here’s your miracle.

I left his house not enlightened but slightly humiliated and profoundly entertained — as if Kant himself had walked in, patted me on the shoulder, and said: “See, my friend, experience always precedes understanding.”
 
And so I add one more paradox to the long list of audiophile humiliations - perhaps true knowledge begins the moment your subwoofer stops obeying your logic. 


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Paul S
San Diego, California, USA
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Post #: 60
Post ID: 29426
Reply to: 29424
From D to DSP
Well, Congratulations, Bill! Most of the audio pros I've communed with are dead now, but ALL of them were early adopters of digital and DSP, and they never looked back. Most of them finally stopped trying to convince me that RTA and shaping are the most essential tools for setting up a system.

Are you saying you run your S3s down to 400Hz? If yes, does this mean your S3 horns are 200 Hz?

Best regards,
Paul S
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