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Amir
Iran Tehran
Posts 396
Joined on 02-11-2009

Post #: 41
Post ID: 29855
Reply to: 29854
Audio Business
 Paul S wrote:
Amir, it seems like, if this is so, then no need to worry or even think about anything but DPoLS? On the one hand, this puts you out of business. On the other hand, how nice to put all the nonsense behind!

Best regards,
Paul S

Paul, audio is not my main business, Audio is my passion and if I shared the list of super expensive DACs it does not mean audio is just buying super expensive equipments. If you check my first post in goodsoundclub was 2009 in DPOLS topic and I started audio buseiness since 2018. 
I did not say all audio equipments are equal and I respect good audio designers for their great audio equipments but I think DPOLS is very different experience.
I believe if “better sound” is like dimension “X” then DPOLS is another independent dimension “Y” so those are different in my mind. I also think “better sound” is not equal to “better music listening experience” and these are two different concepts. 

My priority in Audio : 

Step one: DPOLS , Finding perfect position for left speaker is very important but even if your left speaker is in semi perfect position the position of right speaker is even more important than left speaker. Right speaker should match to left for best integration.  
 
Step two: good sounding room, recently I was in a room with simple L shape less than 30 sqm , the sound was wonderful even with high reverberation time and also poor audio playback system. Very interesting experience. It seems the sound mainly comes from the room not from the audio playback system. 

Step three: perfect AC power quality and perfect RF rejection with best grounding and interconnection techniques. I like nelson pass modified AES48 grounding schematic for Class II audio devices. I believe in my home the RF problem is not less important than AC Power quality. 

Step four: a good audio system is important but it is less important than those three concepts. I am not against expensive audio equipments, for example I like my expensive CEC TL0 3.0 transport. I do not care about expensive vs non expensive equipments, to me the performance matters.


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Paul S
San Diego, California, USA
Posts 2,912
Joined on 10-12-2006

Post #: 42
Post ID: 29856
Reply to: 29855
Price vs. Performance
I like the idea of at least 2 vectors or tangents regarding audio system awareness/approaches. This is because I have long heard for myself that the Music I hear from an audio system might move me even though Level 1 sound is not audiophile quality, and there have been plenty of times where I was unmoved by music rendered by fancy, very expensive audio systems with plenty of Level 1 features to talk and write about. But who am I to say that people should not pay a lot for systems that are basically sound processors and delivery systems that more or less disregard Music. In fact, it's fine with me if people want to do this with their time and money. I admit being somewhat concerned when I realize that someone has the wrong idea about any relationship between cost and repeatable Music in the home, and I am perhaps too sensitive when I see fraud being perpetrated, even with audio products. Again, for me, it's mostly about the Music, and any level 1 Sound stuff I try is aimed at improving the experience of listening to Music in my home. I still cannot say level 1 does not matter when speakers are in DPoLs, perhaps because I have never perfectly achieved this elusive state of affairs. I also have a hard time accepting the premise when I think of an iPOD playing over tiny Bluetooth speakers, that sort of worst case scenerio.

Paul S
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Paul S
San Diego, California, USA
Posts 2,912
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Post #: 43
Post ID: 29857
Reply to: 29856
After Listening to Bruckner: Yeah; no...
Had a nice listen this morning to Bruckner 7, Matacic/CPO, via Big Rig. Not discounting DPoLS, but no way iPOD and Bluetooth minis in DPoLS will ever offer Level 1 Sound that is very much part of the Music here; at least it is for me. I am thinking (again) that DPoLS can greatly enhance a given topology, but topology still matters for Music appreciation, or there are times when it matters to listeners it matters to.

Paul S
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N-set
Warsaw, Poland
Posts 660
Joined on 01-07-2006

Post #: 44
Post ID: 29858
Reply to: 29839
Just ordered
Thanks for the recommendation. I look at the speaker placement as a salvation for the small, weird shaped, compromised listening space I have. In the meantime, I had another session with the Sumiko method, or actually parts of it that I can do. It's like going through circles of hell: first the moves seem to produce changes, but going back to the initial position then invalidates them largely, and on and on again. I think I know the reason but cannot do anything about it. 


Cheers,
Jarek
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Amir
Iran Tehran
Posts 396
Joined on 02-11-2009

Post #: 45
Post ID: 29859
Reply to: 29858
Thanks Jarek
 N-set wrote:
Thanks for the recommendation. I look at the speaker placement as a salvation for the small, weird shaped, compromised listening space I have. In the meantime, I had another session with the Sumiko method, or actually parts of it that I can do. It's like going through circles of hell: first the moves seem to produce changes, but going back to the initial position then invalidates them largely, and on and on again. I think I know the reason but cannot do anything about it. 

Thank you Jarek, You are welcome.
I hope all audiophiles around the world read Goodsoundclub and understand how important is DPOLS. 
I posted about Romy articles in whatsbestforum many times and tried to invite audiophiles to read goodsoundclub because audio practice without proper ideas  is waste of time/effort/money.
I hope one day Romy decides to write a book about high end audio and transfer all of goodsoundclub information to the book. 
I am sure Romy’s Book will be the best reference for audio lovers.


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N-set
Warsaw, Poland
Posts 660
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Post #: 46
Post ID: 29860
Reply to: 29858
Sumiko
Is anyone familiar 1st hand with the Sumiko method? I cannot get the 1st step, the strong points of bass - I suspect those points are not around where my speakers are and I cannot place them elsewhere. Nevertheless, playing with subsequent steps: the distance apart, toe in/out, and the rake angle does produce changes, which I'm trying to use. It's complicated as I'm going in circles: hearing an improvement, then coming back to the initial position and seemingly hearing the improvement again. Then starting again with different moves. Does it make sense or am I chasing my own tail?


Cheers,
Jarek
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Paul S
San Diego, California, USA
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Post #: 47
Post ID: 29861
Reply to: 29860
Has Anyone Actually Gotten This Acomplished?
Not many posts for some time now, but the reader counters continue to turn over, including this thread. Have any readers found DPoLS for their own system? If yes, did it work for all sources all the time, and how long did it hold/has it held?

Paul S
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Amir
Iran Tehran
Posts 396
Joined on 02-11-2009

Post #: 48
Post ID: 29863
Reply to: 29861
Why DPOLS is the first step?

What is the fundamental secret of the world of audio? Every time you change a piece of equipment, two distinct and significant changes occur in your sound. The first change relates to the inherent sonic differences between the two devices themselves. The second change relates to how each device alters the interaction between the loudspeakers and the room; essentially, each piece of equipment shifts the perceived position of the speakers, which in turn changes the sound. This is why Sterling argues that even after a minor change to a system, the loudspeaker positioning must be readjusted. This realization implies that all the A/B tests you have previously conducted—whether comparing two DACs, cables, or any other components—need to be re-evaluated from scratch. Failing to grasp this point often leads us to spend years focusing exclusively on swapping and upgrading equipment, ultimately leaving us trapped in a vicious cycle.


I have two experiences from the past that relate to the importance of speaker placement, as well as two recent experiences involving A/B testing with speakers in different positions.


My first two experiences date back to 2005 and 2009, when, purely by chance, the loudspeakers ended up in a good position. The sound turned out excellent; in 2005, I didn't realize that the speaker placement was the reason for the great sound, but by 2009, I understood that the positioning was indeed the cause. As a result, I spent a significant amount of time researching online until I came across an article on "DPOLS" by A. Polakov, which I discovered via the following link:  


http://www.goodsoundclub.com/Forums/ShowPost.aspx?PageIndex=3&postID=29861  


Very little information has been written on this subject. Because the concept itself seems so strange and implausible, it is almost never discussed; consequently, for years, the most valuable and critical parameter of sound has remained hidden from everyone.


Two other experiences I’ve had over the past five years have led me to realize that all the tests we conduct—listening to and comparing two devices, two cables, or anything else (an "A vs. B" comparison)—are directly influenced by the placement of the loudspeakers. This makes it impossible to gain a complete and profound understanding of the true differences between A and B. Why is this the case? Consider this: when you swap cables and listen to the sound produced by Cable A versus Cable B, each cable exerts a different influence on the time-domain response—or, more specifically, the phase-frequency response. This variation in the phase-frequency response propagates to the loudspeakers and the room, altering the entire acoustic equation; the resulting interaction between the speakers and the room could be either positive or negative. A listener cannot easily isolate this effect from the inherent characteristics of the equipment itself, and this is precisely where errors in judgment can occur.


I have made this mistake twice in the last five years. The first instance occurred one night when the sound quality wasn't good; we tested a much cheaper DAC and found that the sound improved significantly. This test led to the impression that the inexpensive DAC offered superior sound quality. The difference was so stark that even I was surprised. Later, I realized that the reason for this difference was that, given their specific placement, the speakers simply performed much better when paired with that cheaper DAC. My second mistake happened when we attempted to compare two discs—a 16-bit CD and a 24-bit DVD—using two different transports.


In our initial test, 24-bit audio sounded significantly better than 16-bit audio; we repeated the test using several different transports, but the result remained the same. We concluded that a 24-bit/96kHz disc offered vastly superior sound quality compared to a 16-bit/44kHz disc. This conclusion turned out to be completely wrong, however—some time later, I moved the speakers and we reran the test. It was unbelievable: this time, the 16-bit CD sounded far better than the 24-bit DVD. It was the strangest experience I’ve had in 25 years, but the reality was that the placement of the speakers had completely upended all our calculations for the A/B test.


If you intend to compare A with B, first adjust the speakers for A and listen to the sound; then, when you bring in B, you must readjust the speakers for B before listening and making the comparison.




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Amir
Iran Tehran
Posts 396
Joined on 02-11-2009

Post #: 49
Post ID: 29864
Reply to: 29863
Three Rule
1- DPOLS can change the sound dramatically even far from your imagination 
2- Speaker placement has a direct and significant impact on A/B tests and can lead us to make mistakes.
3- The placement of a loudspeaker can alter the impact of flaws and errors originating elsewhere in the audio system (such as poor CD quality). If the speaker is positioned appropriately, the negative influence of these other factors is reduced; conversely, if it is placed poorly, their negative impact is significantly amplified.


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Amir
Iran Tehran
Posts 396
Joined on 02-11-2009

Post #: 50
Post ID: 29865
Reply to: 29864
DPOLS and SNR (Signal to Noise ratio)
When speakers are not optimally positioned, you may find that the sound quality at low volumes lacks fullness or richness—leaving you wishing for a more substantial sound, particularly in the bass range. At times, you might also feel the need to enhance the sense of silence and the depth of the soundstage. The industry’s conventional solution involves using expensive power cables and power filters; however, these often compromise the sound's dynamics and vitality. The beauty of *dpols* is that it achieves these improvements without diminishing the sound's dynamics. With *dpols*, there is no longer a need for costly power cables, power filters, or the application of excessive negative feedback within your audio equipment.


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