02-17-2025 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree Romy the Cat Boston, MA Posts 10,400 Joined on 05-27-2004 Post #: 1 Post ID: 27971 Reply to: 27971 A dive to Auro 3D I have been hesitant about it for a while. I clearly see a tremendous potential of it and the demonstrations that Bill was giving to me certainly very much encouragedge me. My reverberation channels processor begin to act up and I was faced at dilemma to get another reverberation procession or go full thread Auro. I decided to give Auro a try.  I do not know if Auro will be a full replacement of what I was getting from my reverberation channels. It might be not or it might even eliminate reverberation channels. I do not know in this point. I certainly am not looking for a full immersive experience as Auro meant to be and I am certainly not driving main channels over Auro processor. However, I very much see that I might try to use some of the Auro channels as an expressive tool to get some aspects of space. I do not know at this point what exactly I want from Auro. The most important I do not know if I will find it beneficial for what I value in music. For sure it provide a spectacular and impressive photographic tricks over listening experience but it is remained to be seen if those new experiences have any practical benefits for music interpretation. I will be updating.... "I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche

02-18-2025 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree maravedis Posts 3 Joined on 08-07-2021 Post #: 2 Post ID: 27973 Reply to: 27971 Bacch Romy, I hardly dare write this post... You have to try Bacch dsp. I'm not sure how to talk about it without sounding like a commercial. Yes, yes I know, you'll have to introduce digital to your chain. But honestly, it's akin to magic. It does lots of things - but the main thing for me is the 'music floating away from the speakers' effect - and with some recordings the acoustic rendition is truly phenomenal. On only very very few recordings do I feel the need to press the bypass button. https://www.theoretica.us/bacch4mac/CheskyLanding16.html

02-18-2025 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree Romy the Cat Boston, MA Posts 10,400 Joined on 05-27-2004 Post #: 3 Post ID: 27974 Reply to: 27973 Please, do not tell me that it is sponsored by David Chesky... Thanks, I will look it up. My intentions for sure not to run my main channels over any type of digital transformation. I would like to have just very slight touch up with space treatment channels. Hopefully, Auro will be doing it more effectively then my reverberation injection channels. This all honesty I typically discard any digital processing on my channels that was my constant debate with Bill, who used his Termov pre-pro for everything. I sincerely feels that no matter how good it is still a major degradation of what I felt is important. However, then and few weeks ago he engaged ampX application concept of peace with base channels is that it's all his system showed off was very different. AmpX, come on many things provide certain moisturizing sound that feels is very beneficial for the result Bill's system typically demonstrate. Maybe it was something else, but while I was listening I have zero desire to improve anything, which happenes with me remarkably seldom. I think, buly some means, ampX shuts down in nuro-system of our brain concept of criticality. I am still looking into it and I am observing that many things we can see the critical and important before become under ampX kind of irrelevant... "I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche

02-18-2025 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree Romy the Cat Boston, MA Posts 10,400 Joined on 05-27-2004 Post #: 4 Post ID: 27975 Reply to: 27973 To be seen... I did look at the Batch concept. The clam 3d binaural transformation. This is very very cool, as anything else which is binaural related. I do not know if anything is missed in there in the translation. Since they are on Mac only I will never know as I am religiously stay away from Mac. What is the most fascinating for me at this point would be to observe if binaural, or Auro or any other space construction technologes have any beneficial impact to what I feel important for music listening. We all know that any space reconstruction maybe very impressive as a demo. For us, the audio guys, it acts like smel of shit for flyers, and we all celebrate a new glamorous things. Yes, it does trick our neural system feel submerging effect, and it is very impressive. However, how much me as listeners got advanced by is this submerging? And this point I have no answer to this question. "I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche

02-19-2025 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree maravedis Posts 3 Joined on 08-07-2021 Post #: 5 Post ID: 27976 Reply to: 27975 Advanced by this submerging I too was extremely reluctant to get a MAC. (luckily you don't really need to touch it after installation). You could use the uBacch VST plugin on any OS if you play through a DAW. The effect is between 10-20% of the real thing - but it serves to prove that no nasty effects are added.  For me the sense of ease and music just existing in my home space is a complete game changer. I very rarely consider I'm listening to HI FI now - the clever imaging effects that happen from time to time are fun but definitely not the main point of it all. And luckily, many many vintage orchestral recordings seem to have lots of wonderful spacial stereo in them - often amazing placements and sonorities of wind and brass sections. Bruckner, yes. I'm listening to a string quartet concert from BBC radio 3 at Wigmore Hall now - and I truly recognise the space, not as an ambience - but how the instruments fly around and react back from the hall. Just one more thing - the extra room correction module ORC is unlike any other correction that I've tried. I believe it's truly ground-breaking how it works. In fact when I first got it going I was reminded of your preference for Loooong Bass...  I had read about Bacch a while ago and was totally put off by the way it was talked about - in fact I kind of assumed it was a scam. But I assure you, what people say about it is generally very accurate -  just as my descriptions here are a bit hyperbolic! BTW, if you need another AmpX beta tester, I'm ready to go...

02-23-2025 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree Romy the Cat Boston, MA Posts 10,400 Joined on 05-27-2004 Post #: 6 Post ID: 27991 Reply to: 27971 They are very different tools I made my Auro 3D process of working, configure the system and began to do some listening. I don't do a lot now, just took side.back channels trying to assess the benefits of entire concept. It is for sure, the Auro 3D injection works differently than revelation injection. I am trying to identify what I feel the difference is and at this point I cannot but it is very different. I am very far for even proposing for this better and what would the reason behind it. It is for sure a very different tools. "I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche

02-24-2025 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree Romy the Cat Boston, MA Posts 10,400 Joined on 05-27-2004 Post #: 7 Post ID: 27992 Reply to: 27971 My First Week with Auro 3D "I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche

02-26-2025 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree Romy the Cat Boston, MA Posts 10,400 Joined on 05-27-2004 Post #: 8 Post ID: 27995 Reply to: 27992 My Second Week with Auro 3D "I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche

02-27-2025 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree Romy the Cat Boston, MA Posts 10,400 Joined on 05-27-2004 Post #: 9 Post ID: 27996 Reply to: 27995 The Auro 2D looks like a garbage... By the way I was trying to listen Auto 2D. I have no idea why but it is such a despicable garbage. I did all correct configurations. I have exceptionally good result when I play Auro 3D over 2D configuration, using just side channels nothing else, just main speaker and side.back, channels is that under  3D configuration just one extra speaker for channel on the side and slightly back. I have truly spectacular result, is the speaker properly covered. However if I drive the same speaker with Auto 2D then no matter what volume I use that injection channel it's always produce exceptional discomfortable result. Very strange. "I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche

02-27-2025 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree Romy the Cat Boston, MA Posts 10,400 Joined on 05-27-2004 Post #: 10 Post ID: 27997 Reply to: 27992 ...and the reason number three... I need to correct my mistake into my last video about. I proposed three reasons why properly implemented multichannel never was covered or endorsed by high:and audio journalist. I said it is because they are idiots and they cannot understand what is right versus what is wrong, or because they are a part of a conspiracy theory which keep multi-channel away from the market as they will lose huge percentage of subscribers to bullshits they sell. However I feel is that it's might be elo another reason. The company speech produce multi-channel processors are big global corporations who have established channels of distributions and say do not need any little pompous pimps with is there rusty sound and short term arms to market their products. So, since those pimps will not able to extort from the manufacturers huge amount of money and favors, they do not feel as I can milk that cow. "I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche

02-28-2025 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree Romy the Cat Boston, MA Posts 10,400 Joined on 05-27-2004 Post #: 11 Post ID: 27998 Reply to: 27995 My Third Week with Auro 3D: warning alert! "I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche

03-16-2025 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree Romy the Cat Boston, MA Posts 10,400 Joined on 05-27-2004 Post #: 12 Post ID: 28030 Reply to: 27998 My Last Week with Auro 3D? Very probably.... "I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche

03-16-2025 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree Paul S San Diego, California, USA Posts 2,797 Joined on 10-12-2006 Post #: 13 Post ID: 28031 Reply to: 28030 Performances vs. Recordings vs. Playback vs. Listener I suppose I could have started with Compositions, but I am thinking about all the years gone by and all the "audiophile recordings" of bad Music, and this is a big reason why I have not branched out from stereo. At some point I circled back to try to get more from mono, not to lose my older recordings, but I am happy with Music I can get from stereo at this time. The question for me has been, how can I get more from the recording without "adding own sound" from the system (system processing) itself. Probably impossible, but I agree with you, Romy, the main thing I want from my playback is that the Music has to move me, and as a Musical Omnivore, I want to be moved by all sorts of Music that I enjoy. We have discussed it a lot, it seems Music can get lost in sound, including sound effects. Best regards, Paul S

03-24-2025 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree Romy the Cat Boston, MA Posts 10,400 Joined on 05-27-2004 Post #: 14 Post ID: 28084 Reply to: 28030 Aura 3D rehabilitation. "I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche

03-24-2025 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree Edgar= Posts 47 Joined on 02-13-2021 Post #: 15 Post ID: 28085 Reply to: 28084 Laughter of recognition. That was funny. Now your here, why not do it right and use a loudspeaker with 5 hz response for injection. it would help to integrate your infinite baffle to the rest of Macondo. One doesn't need the tone of vintage drivers, use cheap modern stuff with flat freq response, this is probably the one application in high end audio i would care for a speaker with those specifications lol. If your injection channels are particularly phase coherent over the cross over region of your 18's and 15's that will help to stabilise the room through that transition. Thats an exciting proposition.

03-25-2025 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree rowuk Germany Posts 461 Joined on 07-05-2012 Post #: 16 Post ID: 28088 Reply to: 28084 Bass issues? I thought that you used the big Dunlavys as your rear channels. That would eliminate the need for subwoofers. Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.

03-26-2025 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree Romy the Cat Boston, MA Posts 10,400 Joined on 05-27-2004 Post #: 17 Post ID: 28090 Reply to: 28088 Time will show... Yes I certainly do not have issue to introduce for Auro bass channels as good solution as it could get, not to mention that I drive it by a dedicated AmpX. The problem is that at this point I do not know how deep it should go and how good it should be. I do not have enough experience to listen my fixed Auro, and to interpret what it means. As, now I have Macondo's bass chennals, acting as Auro's low frequency channels.  I need two more time to assess efforts I need to put in Auro subwoofers. From what I heard now I can certainly very much change Auro own configuration to go significantly more aggressively with it. Auro has own settings said I used to use very conservatively and now I can go this full blow. I need more time to listen more and to learn what it's all mean in my new setting. "I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche

04-27-2025 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree Romy the Cat Boston, MA Posts 10,400 Joined on 05-27-2004 Post #: 18 Post ID: 28162 Reply to: 28090 Delay or not delay Auro surround channels manually? Yesterday I have debate with Bill regarding application of Auro 3D. My setting for immersive channels are time-aligned. Bill uses intentionally implementing delays for all surround channels.  I think he is wrong but I am not sure that I am right. I think the greatest benefit of Auro surround channels that reverberation extension has been factored into the sound they output. I think intentionally implemented delay should destroy the fabric of the music picture unfold in the room.  The reason why I know set Auro 3D has factored in delay because when I pose my CD the sound from a main channel stop immediately but the sound from surround channels is keep coming, and shot itself off in time. So the question is, if Auro 3d has already factored mechanism for delay, and a configuration for the size of the room need to be reconstructed, I do not think that we need to implement intentional delay for each reverberation channel. This is just a theoretical observation and I am not insisting the time right. However it does sound logical to me. "I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche

04-27-2025 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree Paul S San Diego, California, USA Posts 2,797 Joined on 10-12-2006 Post #: 19 Post ID: 28163 Reply to: 28162 "The Recording" vs Savory Cooking It once seemed to me that the simpler the better with respect to Sound/Music "reproduction". And despite I now use giant speakers and amps, I have stayed in a +/- safe zone where my current playback sound is a very recogizable evolution of my early attempts with good reel-to-reel tape via a Leak ST20 amp and A7s. I have learned a lot here at GSC, and lately Dr. Bill's words return to me, that for his Auro to work properly the ambient information must be in the recording to begin with. Even with simple stereo it seems inevitable that in addition to "recording issues" we will have plenty of "playback" "distortion", including X/O distortion of some sort with multi-way speakers, and it seems likely this would only be compounded with multi-channel amps, especially - as Anthony has pointed out - in cases of multiple stages. This is not a criticism of results, just a recognition that if there is something to be gained by all this processing then it seems to be "good system sound". Part of my own experience to date is that while own sound is pretty much inevitable, there is always a time when it interferes with my own exploration of Music, as surely as "limitations" have done. Paul S

04-28-2025 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree Romy the Cat Boston, MA Posts 10,400 Joined on 05-27-2004 Post #: 20 Post ID: 28175 Reply to: 28162 Auro is like a snake goes right and left... I am planning to record a video to share my latest observation about immersive audio, at least what I am experienced. It will be another kind of denouncing it back in a higher philosophical level. I'm not insisting the time right but  it being a strong supporter of Emmanuel Kant's ideas of subordination practice reasons I have in my head some sorts that I feel well organized, at least in wondering mind. "I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche