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04-06-2011 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
oxric
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Post #: 61
Post ID: 15934
Reply to: 15894
Update: Fane 8M Limited production run order
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Hello Everyone:
 
I would like to provide some explanation as to how payments will be handled. You can pay by credit card or paypal, directly to Audio Components of Wokingham. John Bryant, owner and director of Audio Components UK Ltd (Tel 00 (44)118 989 0151), and a very talented and experienced loudspeaker designer and restorer, will take the payment from you.
 
http://www.audio-components.co.uk/
 
By opting to pay by credit card or paypal, you will benefit from the usual protection given to such purchases.
 
You can check with Fane International that both Audio Components and myself have contacted them (ask for Daniel Barnes or Susan Goodyear, production manager).
 
I would prefer not to spend the rest of the summer waiting for the 50 units minimum order to be reached. So all orders made and paid for by 15th April will be at the special price of £225  for ONE PAIR of Fane 8M Studio, plus VAT plus shipping, in the UK or in the EU, or £225 plus shipping for the rest of the world (no VAT but you may have to pay duties at your end). This is an offer open until 15th April after which the price will be £265. As for shipping, this will be £20 in the uk, £30 for the European Union, £50 for the USA, inclusive of insurance. For the rest of the world, I am afraid you will have to contact me for shipping quotes. For you to be eligible, it is necessary not just to place an order but also to make payment in full by 15th April. Remember that if you opt to pay by paypal, there is an additional fee of 4 % and if by credit card, a fee of 3%. You can of course avoid these charges by using a debit card or by bank transfer if you prefer.
 

Why the special offer? Two reasons. Firstly, in order to encourage filling the minimum order, so the drivers can be ordered from Fane as soon as possible. I will also be looking to move to France during the summer holidays and with the stress that this will inevitably entail, I would be grateful if this was all concluded well before then.

 From emails I have received, it is clear that even in cases where people have lingering doubts as to whether the new Fane 8M will be exactly the same (the criterion that I think will be satisfied), still it is thought that this is the closest one can get to have new Fane 8M Studio drivers performing very closely to the old production units. 

This is a remarkable opportunity, even if your plan to build an upperbass horn is in the future. Given how rare these drivers have become, how unlikely that those sourced on the second hand market will actually even be in good condition after 20 years since they were manufactured in some cases and having lived a hard life in a studio environment. To add insult to injury, some of these old Fane 8Ms will have been reconed with compatible parts and not original Fane reconing kits of course. I recently contacted a very famous loudspeaker repair specialist in Wembley, and as it turned out, the reconing kits they use for servcing Fane 8M are not original, just compatible parts, presumably made in China I would say given the price. I think that many Fane 8M out there will have been reconed at some point and it may well be they were not with the Fane reconing kits. So much for the guarantee of performance from old vintage Fane 8Ms bought on ebay or elsewhere (as mine are)!
 

Best regards
Rakesh

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Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Post #: 62
Post ID: 15935
Reply to: 15934
It might be a wrong door you are knocking to.
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Rakesh, the people who read this site have bought Studio 8M many years back. I do not think you will find a lot of investors in this ides here. Also, the people who read this site are accustom to my very idiosyncratically-individualistic style and they usually, do not fish for any mass-buy from here.

I think if you would like to form an army of happy buyers then you might try to make announcement at DIYadio.com, AA and alike sites where people are more accustomed to such events. Do not discard your local UK sites – there are plenty DIYers in your country.

The Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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oxric
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Post #: 63
Post ID: 15936
Reply to: 15935
Thanks. I will try the forums you mention.
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 Romy the Cat wrote:
Rakesh, the people who read this site have bought Studio 8M many years back. I do not think you will find a lot of investors in this ides here. Also, the people who read this site are accustom to my very idiosyncratically-individualistic style and they usually, do not fish for any mass-buy from here.

I think if you would like to form an army of happy buyers then you might try to make announcement at DIYadio.com, AA and alike sites where people are more accustomed to such events. Do not discard your local UK sites – there are plenty DIYers in your country.

The Cat


Hi Romy,

Thanks. I will try these forums. I have barely ever posted on any of them (come to think of it I am sure I have never posted on AA and only once on DIYaudio, when it was me trying to get on a group buy!).

Having said this, I did get a number of queries from the few people who read your site, and it looks like they will be placing orders, so I imagine it was in the end quite useful to post here, even though it did not meet with your unequivocal approval. But as I say, and I am repeating myself, for those interested in the Fane 8M drivers, this is indeed a unique opportunity, given that once the order is placed, I myself will not be interested in repeating the exercise in the future.

Best regards
Rakesh

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Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Post #: 64
Post ID: 15940
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DIYAudio and Fane
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Rakesh,

I have seen your post at DIYAudio, that was a right place to collect group buyers. Still I feel that you did a tactical mistake. You highlighted the fact that the new divers will be identical to the old drivers but in my view you needed instead to educate the DIYAudio hoodlums what Studio 8M driver is all about. You see, they never heard about them, they never heard about it and therefore they might not have idea what “opportunity” they might have.

The Studio 8M has very limited use and only for type of the horns that most of the people with DIYAudio IQ do not understand.  So, I person who would go for Studio 8M shall have objectives that are suitable for this driver – literally a base horn (not bass but base) for multichannel horn setup. So, if I were you I would move your post to multichannel forum of DIYAudio site and expels to the local Morons why Studio 8M is such an interesting driver for the specific application. Be prepared that they will not understand you as Studio 8M has not very impressive Hornresp characteristics and the fool at DIYAudio do not know anything beyond the Hornresp.

The Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
04-10-2011 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
oxric
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Post #: 65
Post ID: 15967
Reply to: 15935
Change in method of placing an order for Fane 8Ms
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 Romy the Cat wrote:


...you might try to make announcement at DIYadio.com...

The Cat


Hello everyone,

I am sure some doubters and naysayers might be having second thoughts. On the other hand, some have contacted me after reading the posts above and expressed an interest.

I would like to point everyone's attention to the fact that you can place an order and show your commitment by 15th April (and thus become eligible for the limited period offer) without making any payment, by simply opting to contact me with your personal details and register your commitment publicly on the thread at diyaudio:


http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/group-buys/186539-group-buy-fane-8m-studio-50-units-production-run.html

This makes the whole process easier as instead of having to deal with the situation where a minimum order of 50 units is not reached, we can wait for this to occur first before taking any payment.

I much prefer this solution and honestly do not know why I did not think of it first, until a post at diyaudio made me think of the difficulties which then led to the present much preferred method of placing an order.

Regards
Rakesh
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Romy the Cat


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Fane, asphalt and dynamite.
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 oxric wrote:

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/group-buys/186539-group-buy-fane-8m-studio-50-units-production-run.html

OK, now I do feel sorry that I am not doing what you are doing. If I run the show of ordering these drivers and then send them to the committed people tan I would load one pair with dynamite and send to the very deserving person. This Serbian piece of shit with moniker “anubisgrau” is the life form that I truly hate.  My love to humanity does not allow me hate peacefully. The “crimes” of this “anubisgrau” piece of shit are so great that I will be celebrating if I learn that this asshole got run over by a very slowly moving asphalt roller machine. I think the service denial would be too good for him – the prejudicial slaughtering of those people – that is something that would give me a Nobel Medal of Piece and a full Vatican blessing.

Always the Cat.


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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oxric
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Post #: 67
Post ID: 15970
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You might find slaughter is forbidden by law in most jurisdictions. Including yours.
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 Romy the Cat wrote:


I would load one pair with dynamite and send to the very deserving person...I will be celebrating if I learn that this asshole got run over by a very slowly moving asphalt roller machine.



Romy, I wonder why you would need 'one pair of dynamite.' He might get to enjoy some serious ULF before signing off... You have been watching too many movies and I would say you are a big fan of Tony Soprano.

Best regards
Rakesh
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Jorge
Austin TX
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Post #: 68
Post ID: 15974
Reply to: 15970
New run Studio 8M specs?
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Hello Rakesh,

I might be interested in a pair or two of these drivers, not sure yet though.

Do you have the specs for the new run from Fane?


Fane_STUDIO-8M.jpg
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Romy the Cat


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And who is Fane?
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 oxric wrote:
You have been watching too many movies and I would say you are a big fan of Tony Soprano.
 
Yes, I love the Sopranos series. It is a phenomenal comedy.  
 Jorge wrote:
Do you have the specs for the new run from Fane?
  
Jorge, your question about New Fane specification made me to write this reply. Why do you ask this question? Don’t you think that to ask this question is ridicules FROM SO MANY PERSPECTIVES? I just wonder what you anticipate to hear in response and how you will be using the response.
 
The Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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oxric
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Thanks for the interest. Hope you place an order.
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Jorge,

I would hope that the specifications of the Fane 8M drivers would not depart from the specifications of the old 8Ms that you have helpfully attached here. I just sent the pdf file to your email directly, not having seen that you had posted it here already!

Personally, I think your question is a very fair one to ask. As I have indicated already, I am as confident as I can possibly be that Fane is a trustworthy company and that they would have been upfront if they were unable to replicate the 8M drivers. I have asked and obtained by email the reassurances which do satisfy me. If you (or Romy or anyone) have any qualms or doubts, I would urge you to contact Daniel Barnes or Susan Goodyear (production manager at Fane International) directly. They are very courteous, professional and will do their best to satisfy anyone's queries, or failing that put you in touch with the technical/engineering department.

Romy's comments, not coming from someone who has insider knowledge as to the manufacturing of these drivers, must be taken with a healthy pinch of salt. Why he seems so opposed to these drivers which are not even that expensive in the grand scheme of things (my 115Hz horns will cost me many many times the price of these drivers), when they are the best chance of obtaining the performance of the drivers that he currently enjoys in his upperbass horns (which he is the first to admit is quite remarkable) is slightly puzzling to say the least.

Best regards
Rakesh






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Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Post #: 71
Post ID: 15984
Reply to: 15983
Come on, get a perspective.
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 oxric wrote:
Romy's comments, not coming from someone who has insider knowledge as to the manufacturing of these drivers, must be taken with a healthy pinch of salt. Why he seems so opposed to these drivers which are not even that expensive in the grand scheme of things (my 115Hz horns will cost me many many times the price of these drivers), when they are the best chance of obtaining the performance of the drivers that he currently enjoys in his upperbass horns (which he is the first to admit is quite remarkable) is slightly puzzling to say the least.

I do not see myself being “opposed to these drivers”. I just rise some points that I think are overlooked in here. The specifications of the old or new Fane drivers are irrelevant. It is my strong and many time expressed opinion that a driver being load into a horn, particularly in a random horn, begin to exhibit absolutely unpredictable behavior.  There is absolutely nothing in Fane 8M specifications that is responsible for the diver sound. So, what is the purpose to ask about the new specifications?

One might think that someone can use “specifications” as an assurance that the new drivers will be up to the standards of the old one.  It might be the case but are you truly feel that somebody in Fane would care, measure or to confirm the specification of the new drivers? I do not know if the old Fane is the same Fane as we have today or just somebody bought out their name and product line. As I understand since 2007 Eminence own Fane, how do you know what changes was made with Fane. If you call today to Tannoy or JBL  that any of their “production manager” will assure you that whatever they do today is the very same as what they did 30 or 40 years back – they juts will not know the difference.

I do not question the Fane new production however, I have no business to do it but I do want to point out that Fane do take advantage of you and your personal enthusiasm to have the drivers, furthermore they made you to run around the word like wounded in ass antelope to sell drivers for them. This is ridicules. For the company like Fane to make a production run of 50 drivers is as much efforts as for you to eat a hot dog. Still, they do not produce the Studio drivers and if someone asks them to do a few drivers for them than they set price that equitable to sending a person to hell.  12 years back what I asked Fane to make my own customized drivers for me (16R version) then they did one single pair for me, with any objection, and they did not even charge extra. Agreeing to pay 260£ for new production of Fane is embracing the extortion from Fane. Yes, we pay much more for other drivers and Fane Studio 8M is very much worth those 260£ (in my view). However, we shall not apply the marker price of unique vintage or specially selected drivers to the mass produced Fane drivers. For the contemporary corporate Fane it is absolutely irrelevant what to produce – Studio 8M , or Studio 5, or Colossus, or Sovereign. Still, look at the current pricese:

Fane Sovereign 8” - £25.89
Fane Studio 5”FRK - £28.89
Fane Sovereign Pro 12” - £67.39

Even the huge and very expensive 18” Colossus driver they sell for £235.55 but they for some reasons they charge even more money for the Studio 8M then for18” Colossus .  Does it strike you as no justifiable particular considering that for Fane it is absolutely irrelevant what to produce and that they will be producing pre-sold order? They must not set retail price if you sell drivers for them and they must not change for Studio 8M 5 times more just because you want to have the drivers. This behavior never was in the picture before, at the time when I dealt with Fane. Because of this I feel that Fane is changed and therefore I ask “what else changes”? Let agree that my questions are not unreasonable.

Fane, if it is the same Fane as use to be shall not behave like  this and someday bring in their house a party of 50 pre-sold divers then they need to sell them as their regular price an do not take advantage of the fact that hey themselves create a stupid deficit of the drivers.

The Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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oxric
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Post #: 72
Post ID: 15985
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We are just covering old grounds.
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 Romy the Cat wrote:

 There is absolutely nothing in Fane 8M specifications that is responsible for the diver sound. So, what is the purpose to ask about the new specifications?

One might think that someone can use “specifications” as an assurance that the new drivers will be up to the standards of the old one.  It might be the case but are you truly feel that somebody in Fane would care, measure or to confirm the specification of the new drivers? I do not know if the old Fane is the same Fane as we have today or just somebody bought out their name and product line. As I understand since 2007 Eminence own Fane, how do you know what changes was made with Fane. If you call today to Tannoy or JBL  that any of their “production manager” will assure you that whatever they do today is the very same as what they did 30 or 40 years back – they juts will not know the difference.




Romy,

Your questions are of course not unreasonable, but there is very little new in your post which is not going over old grounds we have not both already covered. But because this is you, and I respect your opinion, I will endeavour my best to again answer some of the points you raise, even at the risk of repeating what I have already said in previous posts. 

Initially you were questioning why Fane were using or exploiting me to launch these drivers. The plain truth is that Fane does not really care about launching this product, which unique as it might be, has actually virtually no demand. As far as I am concerned, I approached them and they are doing those who are interested in these drivers a favour in going out of their way to approach the same suppliers, use exactly the same parts and build the same drivers. I actually find they have been very helpful, as I called repeatedly (prompted by doubts you expressed) to obtain assurances that they had already given me, even when I then said that I wanted these to be put in writing (which they had already done).

There is truly little demand for these drivers and I am now quite sure that there will be no repeat of such a limited production run in the future. Why am I of this opinion? Well, in the two weeks that people have known about this driver being available, I have had interest amounting to maybe 4 or 5 confirmed orders and possibly interest in another 10 pairs but not confirmed. The order may not happen, simply because I will not take it on me to buy 15 pairs of drivers when I only would like two new pairs at the most.

As for the price, I think you don't realise that the price of £225 is for a pair. It is completely wrong to say that this is more than the price of the 18" Colossus which actually costs £550  a pair (not £235 as you suggest) and is a current driver which does not need a special order to suppliers. As for the Fane Sovereign 8" and 52FK at £25, they will not work in my 115Hz tractrix horn, which is I admit a crying shame. On the other hand, I am told Goto has drivers which might operate very well in that range. Guess why I did not rush to open my chequebook for these?

I have been offered two pairs of the Fane 8Ms drivers in NOS condition by someone who occasionally posts here and if that offer had been made to me three weeks ago, I would not have tried to fill a minimum order of 50 units. As I would prefer not to disappoint those who have expressed an interest, and as I am convinced you are completely wrong about whether these drivers will offer similar performance to the vintage 8Ms, I will try and see if this order can become reality.

In addition, I do in fact believe that your position is slightly odd. If you are prepared to endure all sorts of poor customer service from PurePower 2000, why should people not buy drivers which cost relatively little money and see if they have an exceptionally good foundation for a multi-way system? 

Whilst I am at it and given that in all likelihood it is only a matter of time before you deny me posting rights on your site, I do not understand why you are so condescending towards people who are members of Diyaudio, as reflected in your many posts about people who post there generally. Whilst I cannot pretend to understand the ins and outs of that forum (or any other for that matter), I have come across posts by contributors such as Jean-Michel Lecleach, Dr Geddes, Jonathan Hasquin, to mention only a few, some of whom I have approached in private for help and advice and they have invariably been quite courteous in doing so.  It offers those who would like to build a multi-way system like the one you advocate access to horn makers such as Autotech in Poland, who use the Group Buy format to very good effect... Your animosity towards such a large and diverse group of people is somewhat irrational. I really do not understand, first you advise me to post there and now that I have done so, you do what you can to undermine the whole exercise...

Put it another way, Romy, please tell me what drivers costing up to a $10,000 a unit will do as good a job in a pair of 115Hz horns as the Fane 8Ms? I don't think you have an answer or we would know about it already.

Best regards
Rakesh

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Romy the Cat


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Bagels
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I have a bagel shop next to my house and some years back thy use to do very nice sundry tomato bagels.  When I ask them why they do not do them anymore they told me that there is no reason – it just happed this way– and if they want to then they juts press another button on their dough making machine and the sundry tomato bagels will be made.  I asked them to make a few for me but they told me that their dough making machine mix 10 pound on a single mix and if they make them then they would like me to buy the whole bagel run. I said that I will do it. They however told me that I will not pay 70 cent per bagel like anything else in this store but if I so like the  sundry tomato bagels then I shall pay 2.65 per bagel. Oh, yes, they told me that to press this button on the dough mixing machine in April will be less expensive than in May and if I want then I have to harry with my order.

Sure if I so want and so like the sundry tomato bagels then I will proceed with my custom order but the situation do beg me to feel that the people who run the bagel shop are fucking assholes.

The Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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What esle you would like to know?
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Yes, I did not realize that the price of £225 is for a PAIR; usually price is given per driver. I guess the £225 per pair is not and of the world but I still insist to pay 65 cents per 1 Euro as it use to do… In past I never dealt with Fane directly. There was a pro audio dealer in UK:  “Nightfire Acoustic Technologies”. His site was www.pa-direct.co.uk but he is out of business foe a few years. The owner name was Ian and each time I needed any amount of the drivers Ian send me as many I needed. All of my drivers were custom and over the years I think I bought 16 of them for a number of people. There was never regular service denial from Fane, never any request for bulk production, what has happened now?

In the end, you do not see me express any dead wish to Jean-Michel Lecleach, Dr Geddes or to Jonathan Hasquin. But you would also never see Lecleach, Geddes or Hasquin to build dirty publicity campaigns around the products that they secretly sell on like. A few years ago your new friend  “anubisgrau”, the silent designer of the SWING loudspeakers ( www.bd-design.nl), in response of my very specific criticism of many Swing ideas and use of BMS  started very stinky  and very low class character demonization campaign on line. The dirt was able to engage the subject of my criticism but he, along with a few dirt backs from his neighborhood, was effective (considering for taste his audiences) to convince them that they need to run a buy Swings because Romy was “fegg”, “Osama sympathizer”, “16-year old teenager” and the rest this that so nicely worked for his constituents.  In my book, this behavior is not accidental and a clear justification that the asshole need to be run with asphalt roller. The most disgusting was that in a few years, when he moved to different projects, he was debunking the Swings ideas copping the text from my site and rephrasing my words.  Do you want to talk more with me about this “anubisgrau” piece of garbage?  Did you even see Lecleach, Geddes or Hasquin to behave in this way? BTW, John Hasquin was a person to whom I gave a pair of Studio 8M as taking of my respect and appreciation. The only thing that I would give to “anubisgrau” would be an incredibly strong kick if his fucking face.

The Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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oxric
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Bagels or bagatelles?
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Romy,

I am truly sorry about the scarcity of sundried tomato bagels in Boston. Without being an expert in culinary matters, if it can be produced by the mere press of a button, maybe they were not that great after all and nothing is missed from not seeing them in production.

I have explained on diyaudio why there was a small incentive for people to place their orders early but I think you did not read that explanation so let me say it again. I would like, as the person who has to organise the shipping of all these units to myself, then fill in all the paperwork for shipping to people who might be anywhere in the world, complete the whole process as soon as possible, not least because I am moving to France in about two to three months' time.

If one gets so upset by an increase in price of £20 after 15th April, I am sorry but this is not a normal purchase from a shop. I am trying very hard to make this happen so that those interested have a chance to buy a pair of Fane 8Ms that cannot easily be found on the used market.  

Item title: FANE Studio 8M - Highend Mitteltöner 103 dB/W
Winning bid:EUR 181.00
 (approximately £159.47)

Only two weeks ago, I tried to bid on a pair of Fane 8Ms which were on sale on ebay Germany. I lost as they sold for around £160 not including shipping to the UK which would have been another £30. If those drivers needed reconing (one had a little fault), that would be another £120 to have it done by Fane International. In fact for the two pairs of Fane 8Ms which I bought last year, for which I paid in the region of £140 for a pair, by the time I have paid for reconing (£120) and shipping to and back from Fane, I will have spent more than a new pair of these new production drivers will cost. So please try to be rational or satiate yourself with some differently flavoured bagels.

Best regards
Rakesh
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Yes Romy, £225 per pair! And again read more carefully-Anubisgrau is not someone I know.
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 Romy the Cat wrote:

Yes, I did not realize that the price of £225 is for a PAIR; usually price is given per driver. I guess the £225 per pair is not and of the world but I still insist to pay 65 cents per 1 Euro as it use to do… In past I never dealt with Fane directly. There was a pro audio dealer in UK:  “Nightfire Acoustic Technologies”. His site was www.pa-direct.co.uk but he is out of business foe a few years. The owner name was Ian and each time I needed any amount of the drivers Ian send me as many I needed. All of my drivers were custom and over the years I think I bought 16 of them for a number of people. There was never regular service denial from Fane, never any request for bulk production, what has happened now?

The Cat




I do not know why we are even having this conversation anymore. How could you miss that the price was for a pair baffles me. As far as I know, people want to buy these drivers in pairs and I stated that the price was for a pair. But now I understand better your shock at the price. As for Fane requesting bulk production, I am tired of repeating that Fane never requested anything of me. I asked them if they could make these drivers and as with many other companies, it makes no sense to place orders with different suppliers if the intention is to build just one pair, which is why they specified that the minimum order for this to make commercial sense to Fane was 50 units.

You go on to talk about service denial from Fane. But this is simply not the case as these drivers are not current production anymore and Fane is well within its right not to manufacture these any longer.



 Romy the Cat wrote:

 A few years ago your new friend  “anubisgrau”, the silent designer of the SWING loudspeakers ( www.bd-design.nl), in response of my very specific criticism of many Swing ideas and use of BMS  started very stinky  and very low class character demonization campaign on line. The dirt was able to engage the subject of my criticism but he, along with a few dirt backs from his neighborhood, was effective (considering for taste his audiences) to convince them that they need to run a buy Swings because Romy was “fegg”, “Osama sympathizer”, “16-year old teenager” and the rest this that so nicely worked for his constituents.  In my book, this behavior is not accidental and a clear justification that the asshole need to be run with asphalt roller. The most disgusting was that in a few years, when he moved to different projects, he was debunking the Swings ideas copping the text from my site and rephrasing my words.  Do you want to talk more with me about this “anubisgrau” piece of garbage?  Did you even see Lecleach, Geddes or Hasquin to behave in this way? BTW, John Hasquin was a person to whom I gave a pair of Studio 8M as taking of my respect and appreciation. The only thing that I would give to “anubisgrau” would be an incredibly strong kick if his tucking face.

The Cat


Where did you get the idea that "Anubisgrau" is a friend? I did not know him or of him before a couple of days ago when he contacted me about the Fane 8Ms.

You probably again misunderstood what was written on 'Diyaudio" in my post where I said:

"First of all, I would like to thank all those who have given this group buy some momentum. Gordan (A.K.A "Anubisgrau") a friend pointed me to the thread at Hifiwigwam that you started - many thanks indeed."

If you read carefully, I am explaining to Gordan that a friend of mine (not him) told me he started a thread at Hifiwigwam, another site where I have nearly never been, for which I said many thanks indeed. Saying thanks to a person I have never met or spoken to does not make him a friend, but it makes me courteous, courtesy being a quality that i happen to prize rather highly. As for the 'Swing' speakers and everything else you talk about, I honestly don't have the slightest clue about any of it.

Best regards
Rakesh 

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Jorge
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Driver in a horn
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I have seen Beyma rewrite their specs when they redo a driver and even add a letter to the driver for that change,  even if it is the same driver.
Now I have seen variable FS responses form different drivers of the same model also. 

I was joking with a close friend the other day,  he had just sold a very expensive piece of gear so we all chipped in to help him decide what he could spend all this money on,  Of course I insisted on a pair of GOTO SG146 Ld,  this is a compression driver that is supposed to go down to 30 hz  with a price tag of around 25k a pair.  Now imagine I just give them to you, free of charge,  you bring them home and put them on the shelve. Now start thinking about what horn you will make for them: for 30 hz we have a wavelenght of around 10 meters,  a quarter of this s 2.5 meters long,  at this lenght the size of the mouth becomes not so important, now time align this horn with the rest of your horns.  The best we could come up with for his house was tearing down the roof and building a new one with horns.

I have now a full working, nice 120 hz horn with a 10" driver,  I have made 3 or 4 pairs of horns to arrive to what I have today,  I started with a pair 180 hz horns with lowther DX3 drivers, all the ferocity that lowthers are known for, inside a horn they become a pussy cat,  very soft sounding.  I made the horns with an 8" throat and no compresion.  in my system they would go down nicely to about 400-300 hz and poop out with just noise under that. I tried fostex 206 and other drivers, I finally changed the horn to a bigger 140hz with a 4" throat, better compression better sound still too much in the midrange for my taste, I have tried the same horns 180, 140 120 hz  with a bunch of different dirvers with different back chamber volumes etc.  Making work a cone driver inside a horn is a several month job,  as the moron I am, I never expected to spend so much time on this.

IMHO the upperbass horn is the most important channel in my playback,  and getting it right is a priority.  Unluckily I have spent even more time trying to get the frecuencies under it to sound right...

The idea of buying a new pair of drivers for my upperbass horn implies making a new pair of horns for them,  testing them , adjusting and readjusting back chamber and then re mixing it with my other channels,  easily a few months work.  If I get the Studio 8M drivers they will most probaly go in my unused drivers closet,  trust me I will have a hard time finding room in it for them.  Maybe right next to my pair of GOTO SG146LG!  jijijijii

I was just curious to see if they already have the specs for the new run.
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Do not buy Fane, buy AK47.
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Jorge, if you have 120hz horn with a 4" throat and 10" driver then Fane 8M would be a good candidate in my view. If I were you then I would try. The SG146LG is you had would be very interesting to try as well. Not to try it stupidly as most of Goto owners do but to make both Fane 8M and Goto to work identically-optimal for their respected topology. Then to see the difference. Honestly I do not know what result would be. Goto is a compression driver it has to be way more superior then Fane in all dimensions. Fane in the way how I use it is a compression driver as well but it has paper cone. My vote goes for Goto’s metal diaphragm – it got to have more transient response then paper with fabric suspension. However, Goto has very light cone for those frequencies and very limited power handling.  So there are some issuers from Goto side. If I had something like SG146LG then I would try it but not right the way. In fact, considering the efforts it will take I wouls rather do not try the SG146LG but to have some kind of person who has a lot of Goto experience come to my house, listen my upperbass horn with my Fane 8M driver, pint out the specific sonic problems that he recognize and then inform me how Goto would address them. I do it with others, why no one does it with me?

Partially why I dive difficult time to those Fane buyers is because I do not want people buy Fane 8M for upperbass horns. I know Fane 8M, I has been using it for 11 years and if somebody us my bitten path then I have no opportunely to discovers something new. I would like somebody to discover another driver, better then Fane 8M and informed me another driver did better than Fane in the similar application. In fact I had one person who did reported it but he was an idiot and what I call that type “Sperm Vampire”…

Anyhow, If I were you I would get one pair of Fane 8M. If you are in horn world then a driver with 103dB sensitivity with 115Hz capacity is right in your alley.  In the end here is the picture of the perfect horn with Fane driver in it:

A_picture_of_a_perfect_horn.jpg




"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Jorge
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AK47
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I wish I could stop the US government from selling AK47s in any corner shop in the US.  If you give a monkey a gun, most probably he will shoot himself. If you give a monkey an AK47,  well that is different. He will take anything he wants and few things will get on his way, Policemen; even un the US, dont carry assault rifles.  You need the Army out on the streets,  a different type of monkey!

I have a 120 hz horn,  but with a 5 inch throat, designed specifically for this 10" driver,  it has 102 db sensitivity and actual 110 db on the horn,  no padding on my mid range compression drivers at all. it drops very agressively at about 1 khz, so just a 6 db high pass is needed. This 10" driver has the same magnet as their top of the line 18" driver, paper cone stiff suspension.

I guess it would be simple enough to add a couple of inches in order to bring the throat down to 4" in order to try the Studio 8M.  I have already reduced it temporarily to 3" in order to try the JBL 2490h compression driver.  I made an interesting test:  I put the JBL 2490 on one side and the cone driver on the other side and unhooked the rest of the channels,  I switched form one side to the other trying to see what differnces I could find between them,  in the begining the differences were very big,  I started adjusting the back chamber volume milimetrically untill I  got 90% of what the 2490 was doing so wonderfully, there are still big diferences but they balance out,  the 2490 is more detailed, transparent and dinamic,  while the cone driver goes lower, keeping most of the attributes of the compression driver.  This little bit lower,  maybe down to 110-100 hz allows better integration with the channel under it,  without this extension, there was a hole in there and this frecuency is so important,  the lower register of even female voices was cut off and done by a woofer with terrible results.  Now if I could get another horn to take it from there....

About the GOTO SG146Ld,  well, it was a hipotetical question,  I still cannot afford them and of course would not give them away ;-)  but beyond that the next step I guess would be to get the horn going maybe even with a 12" or 15" driver making the provision to be able to attach an extension for the 4" GOTO while staying "reasonably" time aligned.

The interesting question here would be: where is the bordeline between an Arquitectural horn and a Furniture horn.  This 120 hz horn can barely fit through a big doorway, it has a diameter of 92 cm and more than one meter long; Still  maybe a longer squared horn with maybe one 90 degree bend or less,  just a curve of say 20 or 30 degrees, some sort of J horn could work down to 60-50 hz making it around 2 meters long going from say the cieling to the floor could work, making the mouth to discharge against the floor in order to give the wave some time to mature...

Or just be a man tear the roof down!
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Fane specs according to Fane.
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 Jorge wrote:
I have seen Beyma rewrite their specs when they redo a driver and even add a letter to the driver for that change,  even if it is the same driver.
Now I have seen variable FS responses form different drivers of the same model also. 
...
If I get the Studio 8M drivers they will most probaly go in my unused drivers closet,  trust me I will have a hard time finding room in it for them...
I was just curious to see if they already have the specs for the new run.


Hi Jorge,

It's good you are thinking of the comparative performance of the Fane 8Ms and the Goto SG146LG. I am even impressed that on paper it appears that the Goto might POSSIBLY be superior.

With regard to your query and another regarding the impedance of the new production run drivers, I have contacted Fane and received the following email regarding the specs of the Fane 8M. I quote in full:


"Dear Rakesh,
 
Good Afternoon, thank you for your earlier telephone call
 
I have spoken with Susan in production and we can only manufacture the STU.8M in 8ohms. We have however managed to find an old specification sheet for the STU.8M, please find this in the attached file
 
As soon as you are ready to place your order please do not hesitate to contact me
 
Best Regards
 
Daniel Barnes"

Unfortunately I cannot upload the pdf of the Fane 8M specifications in English as you did for the one in German. It is however in all respects identical to the one in German you posted above. I will send it to you by email and maybe you might do me a favour, and upload it here?

As to whether the new production units will correspond to the measurements of the old units, I can only say that based on everything I have heard so far from Fane International, the drivers will be the same apart from the rubber tyre trim on the magnet. Please let me know if you decide to place an order.

Best regards
Rakesh

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