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Romy the Cat


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Post #: 61
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Hhhh…, I think you are wrong + pet stones...

 yoshi wrote:
I do admitt that I have a tendancy to be attracted monochromic works in general, rather than colorful extarvaganza, both in music and visual.  The colors, even strong colors, when balanced and co-ordinated under a specific intention, can achieve somewhat monochromic quality, and I love that.

Yes, I was expecting something like this.  I do not deny the power of monochrome as an expressive tool some kind of given specific application but I do not have a tendency to like anything monochromic. This is, BTW, why I do not like blond women - there is no expected event-contest between body and heir. Sure, everyone are perfectly with their constitutional rights to like what they have tendency to like but in what you said there is a mistake. It is not that you are wrong in your liking monochromic works. But I do feel that you wrong by contradicting “colorful extravaganza” to monochrome. Why suddenly the “colorful extravaganza”? Look around yourself right now – you do not see any colorful extravaganza – you see normal live colors. THAT is what opposite to monochrome, not the feared “colorful extravaganza”. I certainly do not knock your love of monochrome but I think you do not sell it properly. I personally do not like monochrome “as is”. I mire appreciate monochrome that has a reference to black and to white. For instance the image that you presented I do NOT find appealing. In order it to be appealing I would imbed the image in a very thin back frame. Then it will look to me as monochromic expression instead of too many time washed T-short. But is it me of cause...

BTW, back at my photography time 25-30 years back we had a printing, lighting and processing style that we called “high key”. I did like it but ONLY if it implemented properly.  I did some goggling trying to find for you an image but I did not like whatever I saw. Nowadays people are trying to do “high key” in digital domain but they ether do not know what they do of digital is not right tool to the thing. The Morons nowadys burn the lights and loosing the details in the lights. The properly done “high key” shall have a full spectra of tones but with very much reduced gamma. Like pretend thai image:

HighKeyPhono.jpg

… only the information in the light is not missed but has very-very fine own density. The enter image should be almost gray but it will have a few spots of the pure white, and of cause the  single black spot in eyes light up the whole “high key” presentation.  I do not criticize the portrait above  - the have different  objective, but I just illustrate what I value.

 

 yoshi wrote:
In case on Wand's last recording of 4th, every notes and phrases are so naturally placed without any strain, or feeling of any interpertation, it's almost like a Waka (Japanese traditional poem) masterpiece, in which the use of words and rhymes are so natural, you don't feel any intention or technic of the poet.  Just get the aethsetic/spiritual message.  2nd movement is exactly like that.  Also, from where the music turns quite mysterious right before the climax, then to the climax itself, I have more than 10 performances of 4th, but there's nothing like this.  No strain, no swagger, no show-off.  Just a steady, natural step to a nether world.

OK, I need to find, get it and to listen it, you need to give me the year of the recording. Interesting that the good things that what you described now has no relation to monochrome….

 yoshi wrote:
One other example of what I value most is heard on Herbert Kegel/Dresdner Philharmonie performing Bach's Aria from Ouverure 3, live in Tokyo 1989 (Altus ALT056).  There are zillion performances/recordings of Bach's Air.  Some plays it just as a beautiful piece of music, some puts an incredible amout of colors and nuances.  Some of them are really great musical achievement, but for me, this Kegel performanse is "IT".  It is also very subdued and monochrome with every nuance of joy and sorrow in the past embedded in it.

I think I have this CD, I do not remember it, I need to re-listen it again

 yoshi wrote:
Maybe "in the past" is a key for me.  So many things happened in my recent life, I do not see my life in past~present~future term.  I have present and I have the past.  That's it.

Yoshi, reaching a certain age we all have only past. Interesting that “age“ is not what your driver license said but a pure  own perception. What I am trying to say is that our perception collapse much sooner than our ability to manage our own past and out own future. But the wonderful thing is that your perception is purely moderated by self-delusions and the fun part is that our definition of pleasure is not the actually of our past or our future but our reaction to ours self-delusions. What I learn from my Cat is that life might be very entertaining. Yesterday I went to my employer and told them that I am not showing up tomorrow because I won Massachusetts Lottery 148 million dollars and I do not need to work anymore. Of cause I did not win but I truly would like to say those words…

Rgs. Romy the Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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yoshi
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Monochrome/color

Monochrome is a result of a manipuration of what you call "normal live colors".  In this case, "normal live colors" is the original element to be manipurated and not a contrary concept.  The contrary concept to monochrome would be enhanced colors.

Wand/NDR The Last Recording was done in 2001, a half a year before his death.  It seems like out of publication already.  There's some on Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000063BYT/ref=s9_simh_bw_p15_d0_i1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=01E488X23K3TF6VMC14V&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=1280261722&pf_rd_i=5174

I do have an extra copy (Japanese pressing) which I bought when I broke the case.  I'll send you one.

For those interested, they released Wand/Munchner Bruckner cycle (4, 5, 6, 8 & 9) in LP set in Japan.  It is a limited edition, so if you are really interested, you better hurry.

http://www.hmv.co.jp/en/product/detail/3900388

You have Kegel Live In Tokyo with Egmund.  I don't think you have the one with Aria.

http://www.hmv.co.jp/en/product/detail/921460

Yoshi


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Romy the Cat


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Fumiko Shiraga plays The Adagio
I have been listening for the last week German player Fumiko Shiraga plays Bruckner’s sole piano works. The CD has the piano version of the Adagio from Symphony No. 7, the 26 min 40 second of pure hallucinogenic ride.

I think the world pianist need to look into the work deeper as I would like to hear it to plays more.

http://www.amazon.com/Bruckner-Piano-Works-Anton/dp/B00005YDNF

Despite that I like the Fumiko’s CD I very much disagree with her play of Bruckner. Did she study with Horowitz to bang the notes? I am not thrilled with her expressions, with her colors, with hear control dynamics, with the way how she care the poses and with many other things. I do not like the instrument she plays – it would be great for Chopin but not good for Bruckner, even it was the D Sternways. I do not like the room she played in and many other things in the recording. Still, I am very glad that I bought it and I do advise to get it. This is very “thin” Bruckner but it is fan to hear it in this way.  Wish somebody like Alfred Cortot or  Edwin Fischer or even young Maurizio Pollini  took the Adagio with their ability to throw the colors…

The caT


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Romy the Cat


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ATTN: free Bruckner 7 tonight in NY - Concertgebouw in Carnegie
We upgraded our seats for Valentine's Day - two free tickets balcony center up for grabs if anyone can use them. Email the site.
Cheers, Amy the Kitten
PS Romy says offer only good if you didn't vote for Romney.


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Romy the Cat


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BPO will play B7!!!
BOSTON PHILHARMONIC just announced the 2013-14 Season and they will be playing Bruckner Symphony No. 7 on Friday, February 28, Symphony Hall, 8pm.

 
Special BPO Concert (rescheduled from April, 2013)
Beethoven, Coriolan Overture
Beethoven, Symphony No. 9
 
Monday, September 30, Symphony Hall, 8pm*
Friday, October 4, Symphony Hall, 8pm*
*Tickets for these concerts go on sale 9am, July 16
 
BPO Concert 1:
Wagner,Overture to Tannhäuser 
Prokofiev, Piano Concerto No. 2 - Jue Wang, piano
Tchaikovsky, Symphony No. 5
 
Thursday, October 24, Sanders Theatre, 7:30pm
Friday, October 25, Jordan Hall, 8pm
Sunday, October 27, Sanders Theatre, 3pm
 
BPYO Concert 1:
Wagner, Overture to Die Meistersinger von Nurnberg
Gandolfi,  The Zero Room and Soliton Waves from The Garden of Cosmic Speculation
Ravel, Piano Concerto in G - Christopher O'Riley, piano
Bartok, Concerto for Orchestra
 
Friday, November 15, Symphony Hall, 8pm 
 
BPO Concert 2:
Weber, Overture to Der Freischütz
Bartok, Violin Concerto No. 2 - Patricia Kopatchinskaja, violin
Brahms, Symphony No. 2
 
Thursday, November 21, Sanders Theatre, 7:30pm
Saturday, November 23, Jordan Hall, 8pm
Sunday, November 24, Sanders Theatre, 3pm
 
BPO Concert 3:
Mozart, Piano Concerto No. 25 in C Major, K. 503- Robert Levin, piano
Bruckner, Symphony No. 7
 
Friday, February 28, Symphony Hall, 8pm 
 
BPYO Concert 2: 
Barber, Music for a Scene by Shelley
Barber, Violin Concerto - Max Tan, violin
Mahler, Symphony No. 5
 
Friday, March 7, Symphony Hall, 8pm 
 
BPO Concert 4: 
Mahler, Symphony No. 9
 
Friday, April 25, Symphony Hall, 8pm 
 
BPYO Concert 3:
Ravel, Rapsodie Espagnole
Ginastera, Harp Concerto - Anna DeLoi, harp
Strauss, Don Quixote - Jonah Ellsworth, cello
 
Sunday, May 18, Symphony Hall, 3pm 
 
 
 


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scooter
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How was the Carnegie Hall Staatskapelle Dresden Performs Bruckner's Eighth?
April 20 in NY I think? On my laptop this sounded like an interesting concert and is worth a listen:
http://www.wqxr.org/programs/carnegie/2013/apr/19/#
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Romy the Cat


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It was nice.
Yes, I was listing it a few weeks back and it was nice. I do not remember why we missed it. It was on our radars but we were out of region. For sure it was much better then B7 played by Concertgebouw earlier this spring in Carnegie Hall.


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Romy the Cat


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Today.
It is not frequent Bruckner 7 in Boston and today is the day. Ben Zander takes today Boston Philharmonic with one single concert of Bruckner 7 at the symphony whole. I kind of feel almost responsible as I was harassing him last year asking him to play Bruckner 7, and today is the day.

On Monday I was at rehearsal and I was kind of surprised. It was a small and very live hall. BPO did the own usually thing – something is good and something is not and then they blew absolutely stunning second movement – from state to end – absolutely wonderfully! No it was not Matacic with Czechs but it was good enough.

What else was very imprecise was the fact the any single instruction the Zander give to the orchestra was something that I would give myself, so naturally Zander was brilliant. :-)

I told to Ben that there are only two type people in the world: those who have a privilege to stay at the podium while orchestra opening up those magnificent first bars the Bruckner 7 adagio and… the rest of the people. Well, tonight is the day. The fact that Kitty is playing my Bruckner 7 makes me naturally super enthusiastic …

The Cat



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mats
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8+8 vs F16
I hope you had a great B7 in Boston!
Today we await the arrival of Zubin Metha to play the 8th symphony.
Here in Chicago, it will be on the 17th.
A Master takes his orchestra, and plays for peace.
Meanwhile, today, we send F16's to Poland.
I play and pray.
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Romy the Cat


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Zubin Mehta in Boston with Bruckner
Yep, Zubin Mehta brings B8 with Israel Philharmonic in Boston in the end of the month. That will be interesting. I do not think that Israel Philharmonic will be able to play it in the way I would like to hear it but there is no such a thing as too frequent Bruckner Eight.

Mehta, is an interesting conductor for Bruckner. For all intended purpose he never did any interesting Bruckner but when he was young he took Vienna and did B9 - it was good. I know 2-3 years back he took NY Philharmonic with B8 – the reviews were mixed but I did not hear it and I do not know if they were accurate.

The F16's to Poland is kind of predictable and in a way just beginning. The whole even is US instigated 5th column, the scenario that US was played at least in  20 countries below.

The Cat


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Romy the Cat


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Andris Nelsons and BSO play Bruckner 7 in January
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snMDAl2kbOo&feature=youtu.be

at 23:30 min.


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Here in Boston?
Can't get enuff of that good stuff!
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mats
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Rough B8
Sadly not a blissful evening at Symphony Center.
To my ears the orchestra sounded unrefined, and the intonation of the horn section way off.
Occasionally in the quiet passages some magic was communicated, but overall they seemed 
unable to come to harmony with themselves, the hall, and the composition.
The audience, true to form, began its hysterical applause before the last note had come to silence.
So much for rapture.
Perhaps it will be better the next night, but I wonder.  
The musicians looked delighted, even the horns.


Mats
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What is Mats talking about?
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Romy the Cat


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A preview form Boston
Zubin Mehta played B8 with Israel Philharmonic in Chicago, the concert that Matt attended. I presume that the very same result is reasonably to expect from the same performance that we will have tomorrow in symphony Hall. I hope you will be attending.


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Romy the Cat


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I did not get why they need to play national anthems in beginning.
I think the third movement was the best. Mehta really took his time there and dropped the overly fast tempo of the whole work. Some moment were truly nice during that adagio.
 
I did  not hate the performance in the way how I hated some other Bruckner attempts, BSO for instance. The orchestra was exactly what I expected: here and there, hit and miss… not so fancy tonally and mostly not so able for a complicated or interesting phrasing.  The bigger problem to me that this orchestra sounded very much over controlled. Mehta generally did not allow any phases to decay properly and he was shoring the notes tales, in combination with over-disciplined play it was not very pleasant. Perhaps they accustom to play in small and dryer hall.  The lower octaves instilments and sections did not sound good at all – they were muddy and not expressive. Even in the third movement, where Mehta settle in the proper Bruckner tempi most the orchestra felt like was scared to play. Everything was over-balanced but in not so natural way – it was in a way too contrived music. I do not know about balance. There were some basic timing problems but that would be very much the subject of our location. From where we sit the second violin were good 25 feet behind the first and it is 1” per millisecond – too auditable. The brass balance was fine for Brahms but too conservative for Bruckner. The brass play in the last movement was very bad, I guess they got tiered. Generally I do not feel that it was disappointing – it was exactly how it was expected. BSO would NOT play better but where else would you listen the life B8 in Boston?
 
Me.


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Where else in Boston? Ben Zander!
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The 4th Movement?
Today the electricity was not so bad, and I thought I would listen to the only Bruckner 7 I have, Walter with VPO, 1961, on LP. This is my second session with it in the past week. Hard to beat that 1st movement, musically, and I am starting to get the 2nd and 3 movements (what they might be, musically), but I still do not get how the 4th movement brings this symphony together, or closes it. Sure, it's great when the horns are going off, but I still do not hear that the 4th movement is "of a piece", despite I can hear the ways the themes go together. Do I need better sound, or better play, or is mine just a typical rookie response? No doubt others have heard this more often and thought it through more and better than I have, and I am interested to hear more on the subject.

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Not Approved Listening
Turns out that my only copy of B7 is Georg Solti/VPO, not Walter/VPO. And I see the Solti/VPO performance is not "on the list". I am not kidding when I say I presume there are few performances of this work worth listening to, and fewer that have all the parts together. I would still like to know what people think of the 4th movement, done right.

Paul S
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B7 versions
Paul

Since we all have different ears I can only give my preferences as anyone else would. Also I don't know your tastes well enough to be confident you would feel as I do. Caveats aside, I have the versions by Walter, Karajan, v.Matacic. Typically v Matacic played the altered versions of Bruckner but Bruckner was less neurotic about the Seventh than most of his other symphonies so there aren't 10 versions floating around. I'm sorry to offend Solti partisans, but his Bruckner seems very below average to me. Klemperer did the 7th too late and the orchestra is not too good either. It does not equal his great 6th or even the 4th and 5th. There are of course a number of live or historical performances but the three I mentioned are decently recorded analog.
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