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Posted by Gentleman on 05-27-2013
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I have bought 3 albums from a new Amsterdam audiophile label;Sound Liaison.Wav downloads 24/96.Beautiful sound and music,and great musician supporting philosophy.Very small selection but fantastic well recorded.
Who do you recommend? 



Posted by Romy the Cat on 05-27-2013
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This is a big subject, I have a lot to say about it but I am at St. John and to post from Amy's iPad is too pain fool her for me. It is wonderful that there are many sites nowadays that ofer 24 bit download but it itself means nothing. It is unknown what the internal culture those sites have and those 24bit file migh be very much garbage. I have seen it again and again. The biggest problem however is that the musick this sites are offering mostly is just crap and if the musick is not crap then the performances are crap. I use buy some of the "better" douwnlods but as I got them and the quietly of play I very fast lost interest to the opportunities that downloading diets are offer. That is just my ans my islandian view.

Posted by Gentleman on 05-27-2013
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but the music and the sound/recording from this site is absolutely great,here is a link:http://www.soundliaison.com/

Posted by JJ Triode on 05-27-2013
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I listened to some of the samples of "Bach Reflections," their only (somewhat) classical album, on my computer.  My reaction is that, arrangement- and performance-wise, it would make excellent elevator music in something like a Marriott Hotel.

I cannot comment on the audio quality as I have no good way to play 24/96 files on my system at present.

Rgds,
JJ

Posted by Romy the Cat on 05-27-2013
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 JJ Triode wrote:
My reaction is that, arrangement- and performance-wise, it would make excellent elevator music in something like a Marriott
Yes, this is very accurate observation and this type of music very dominates the stupid audiophiles download sites. Gentelmen, I would give you an advise, if you ask for it. Get to yourself a collection of Bach patitas by Gould, listen despite the quality of sound (as you understend quality now), learn to understend what is going on with music. Then you hardly will be able to hear that downloaded crap without womiting. Until you get this feeling I would advised against expressing any audio opinions, at least at this site.
Rgs, Romy the Cat

Posted by Gentleman on 05-28-2013
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well,well, well.Big words.If the Marriot played the music from the Sound Liaison Label,in their elevators with a good sound system, I'd be riding that Thing all day.But that's the beauty of music,diversity.and Glen Gould,of course,no surpassing that,but I don't feel like eating in a 5 star french restaurant everyday either,sometimes a good Italian pasta will do. here is a review I found of one of their other albums:''Thousand Shades of Blue''by the gorgeous dutch/Portuguese singer Carmen Gomes:

American Blues from the Netherlands

Sound Liaison Studio Showcase Series No. 1
Format: 24-bit/96kHz FLAC (download)

Musical Performance
****1/2

Sound Quality
****1/2

Overall Enjoyment
****1/2

I've been among the prophets saying that high-resolution downloads are the future of audiophile music sales. Surely it will benefit the majors to make high-quality downloads a first choice rather than an MP3 extra, but I believe that individual artists can benefit as well. Most new-to-the-scene performers have little money for middlemen and disc manufacture, yet can get things together for the Internet.

Frans de Rond and Peter Bjørnild have taken this approach with Sound Liaison, producing recordings available only in 24-bit/96kHz downloads that mirror the master recording. And man, are they ever sweet. I've seldom heard recordings that were so successful in both performance and sound aspects.

De Rond hails from the Netherlands, where he studied double bass at The Royal Conservatory in The Hague while concurrently studying recording techniques. Bjørnild also studied double bass, moving to the Netherlands to continue studies at The Hague. Since graduating, he has played almost every type of music, from classical to jazz. Together de Rond and Bjørnild bring two pairs of golden ears to their label. Bjørnild claims that, "a recording should be as realistic and beautiful sounding as possible. As if, when closing your eyes, you find yourself in the best seat in the hall."

The partners discovered a fine recording hall (Studio-Eleven, Hilversum) and set out to record amazing musicians in this great acoustic place in front of live audiences. It's a daring feat; one take and no place to hide, but the abilities of the musicians involved make it seem easy. I chose to talk about the first album by Carmen Gomes Inc. It was a tough choice because all of the three current albums were worthy of review.

Carmen Gomes has won many awards in the Netherlands and surrounding areas. Like so many new European singers, she sings in English -- excellent English, I might add. She's formed a group called Carmen Gomes Inc., with Folker Tettero on guitar, Peter Bjørnild on double bass, and Marcel van Engelen on drums. Her style is bluesy and intimate with a sexy voice that's sweet as dark tupelo honey, and her interpretations are unerring. The musicians play to her and to each other, and the ensemble is so tight that the four musicians breathe and move as one.

There are some standards on the set that knocked me over with their fresh approach. Any singer can misplace a few accents and rhythms and come up with something that's original, but perhaps also uneasy and a little strange. Not Gomes, who has taken the songs to their bones and then restructured them to suit her style. Thus "Fever" doesn't sound like a cover of Peggy Lee; it sounds like a brand new take on a familiar song. You emerge from hearing it not thinking it's better or lesser than Lee's version, but that it's a valid new interpretation that could have come first.

The same approach works on "Angel Eyes," "You Don't Know What Love Is," and "I'm on Fire." Most of the rest, including the title song, "Oblivion," "Time Will Tell," "Gasoa Blue," and "The Sea," are Gomes originals that fit right in with the standards. The recording achieves exactly what Bjørnild set out as his goal. It can provide the best seat in your listening room. Go to the Sound Liaison site, listen to a few samples, download an album, and see if you don't agree that this intimate effort is one of the best and best-sounding jazz vocal albums to come along in many a day. By the way, the small audience applauds enthusiastically enough after the last chords of a song die away, but the attendees never interrupt or make themselves known while a song is going on. No doubt they were completely mesmerized into silence, as was I.

Be sure to listen to: On "Dock of the Bay," Gomes creates a languid, bluesy version that is a little bit reminiscent of Bobbie Gentry while still coming across as quite original. It'll cast a spell over you.


Posted by Romy the Cat on 05-28-2013
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Gentleman, I very much not deny to you rights to like whatever you like. I would question way you insist others to like it but it is OK, apparently it now you feel. The point it that this is a site about advanced audio and that Netherlands girl-with-banjo crap has absolutely no value from purely audio perspective. I know that you do not understand it and it is fine but also it is why I advised you to find other site to advertise your taste and your understanding what audio is all about. For sure you can eat in whatever you believe is 5 star French tourist restaurant everyday but it is truly no need for you to go to a culinary academy next door and throw up the context of your stomach to the table in order to demonstrate the glory of your compliance with next idiot-reviewer. Please, do not take it personally. Do download your music from whatever you want but I do not think you need to force anybody to invite them to your listening room. You did provided the link that you like, that is fine and I appreciate it. Now you need to do your homework and learn what audio means. You are in long joinery, I wish you good luck.

Posted by Gentleman on 05-28-2013
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this is my homework so far. Soloist diploma from the Royal Academy of Music the Hague the Netherlands, Classical Double Bass.
Played Mahler with Bernard Haitink,Beethoven with Jaap van ZwedenBach with Ton Koopman to name a few.should I go on`...........



Posted by Romy the Cat on 05-28-2013
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I did not mean the homework about the credentials of players but the homework with you perception and sense of actions. You do not understand many very essential things that make it like taking with 3 old boy. Gentleman, if you do not mind would be so kind to continue your admiration of those 24bit files somewhere else? It was the last time I replied to you.

Posted by Gentleman on 05-28-2013
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Well to play an instrument at my level.listening and hearing does have to be developed to a certain degree.

Posted by RonyWeissman on 05-28-2013
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Hi,I took a listen at the soundliason site, thanks for link. The sound quality is excellent, but my gosh the crmen gnomes is just awful! There is zero artistic interest inher interpretations, i think tou need a lot of bad alcohol and some very big breasted companion to sit through this music.
R weissman

Posted by Paul S on 05-28-2013
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Gentleman, it's great having musicians as part of this audio forum; when they participate they add a lot that is not available from other sources.  Before you go away confused and/or angry, please read the site. You will see that A LOT of thought has already gone into long conversations about the questions raised by your posts.  This should (eventually) help you understand Romy's apparent dis-connect, and it will also help you to understand why no one jumped on your initial "teaser" post about "What is the best Bach..?", despite the fact that many here adore Bach.  You might even post your own - personal - preferences, along with your reasons for your special appreciation.  As you can see for yourself if you look, there is much already here to read, just sitting there, waiting for you to read it.  And at this site, people are encouraged - and they are well served -  to read extensively before they post.  There are MANY posts already on the boards about what makes a recording great, for one thing.  Also, there is a lot on the subject of musicians and hi-fi, if this is of interest to you.

Briefly, this site is not like other audio sites, and the usual BS just won't wash here; we have our own brand of BS...

Best regards,
Paul S

Posted by Gentleman on 05-28-2013
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the  Bach suites topic was not a teaser. Just plain interest.I have lived with the Suites my whole life and could probably talk about and listen to different interpretations for the rest of my life.I love the barok cello versions of Pieter Wispelway and Anner Bylsma but when in the mood I also enjoy the big vibrato of Janos Starker or Erling Bløndal Bengtson (especially the sarabandes) and the ''groove'' of Yo Yo Ma.So if I see a site of classical music lovers,and read about my old Maestro Hans Vonk on the same site,I genuinely would like to talk about the suites with people on the site.Maybe there would be a version I had not yet heard,or new insights...?I must say roaming around the site, that negative opinions seem to be more voiced than positive. But of course it is an enormous site so maybe I have to read on.but to call Carmen Gomes awful.....?I don't think that any self education using this site will ever get me that far out.But of course this site is not meant for this type of music, I just did not know,sorry for posting the topic.But the way you guys react ....wow!I will look around a bit more to see if i stay on, but being a lover of all types of music from Bach to Alban Berg,Son House to John Scofield,Sidney Bechet to Chris Potter,Ella Fitzgerald to Carmen Gomes,Glenn Gould to Brad Mehldau, and believing in love peace and understanding,also when communicating with others,I wonder if it is worth the trouble.music is love

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